Slanders against me

[repeater]

Whatever wants to make this thread about the RCP. The thread is about Iron Felix.

Whatever's point is completely convoluted and confused. In the face of real bigotry from Iron Felix, Whatever objectively defends this bigotry by changing the subject to the RCP's line on homosexuality. In the process Whatever completely mischaracterizes the RCP line.

[whatever]

I checked out MundoQueGanar's evidence. It's nothing new. Iron Felix also sounds scientific sounding and says he opposes discrimination. He's only for "reform". Flyby says theres a world of difference between Iron Felix and the RCP before 2001 even with the incorrect position. Then he says it was because "One was a communist vanguard with a wrong approach to a social question. The other is a fascist."

That just proves what I'm saying again. The attitude is that IronFelix's views on gays aren't reactionary, just his overall fascist views.

Flyby you make it sound like the mimers singlehandledly criticized the RCP's practice on gays. That's wrong and it doesn't put the RCP opponents' best face forward.

Are you saying the RCP's practice was OK even if the position on homosexuality was incorrect?

[whatever]

OK repeater, here's a question: How do IronFelix's ideas about homosexuals being bourgeois decadents differ from the RCP's old position? The old position didn't just have to do with gays being oppressors of women and you know it.

Also, the fact the RCP talked about gays being oppressors of women (and not simply bourgeois decadents) doesn't make the old RCP position less incorrect.

[IronFeliks]

This message board is really not set up to discuss with anti-semites whether jews run the world.

If you do not want me to defend myself, then cease to speak ill.

Many other communists and close comrades share my views, including Red Skyscraper who is of Jewish ancestry himself!

You have your own message board, which you have mucked up with your spewing about "iron hand" against the people, your hatred of jews, your raw macho male supremacy and your bigoted views on gay people.

1) I believe in the theory of the Leninist vanguard, not anarchism (which is what you seem to be suggesting with your exagerrated descriptions of the state). The vanguard should be run democratically and organize the people into a force of production and revolution.

2) My "hatred" of Jews is synonomous to my "hatred" of the bourgeoisie. I do not hate either because I do not believe in emotionalism, it has no place in Marxist science.

The theory of Jewish bourgeois actively struggling against (or even with, in some joint-economic interests) the christian bourgeoisie for power over the people is reality, not "fascism". The Jewish bourgeoisie is as bad of a threat as the 'christian-fascists' you RCPers talk about, the thing that leaves me dumbfounded is how you guys totally ignore it because they were once "persecuted".

3) I am a feminist and believe in women's equality to men

4) My anti-homosexual ideas are based on Marxist theory of dialectics. Engels wrote extensively on the horrid affects homosexuality has had on formerly successful societies and its undialectical nature, and Marx was extremely "homophobic".

In fact the anarchist homosexual Bakunin was pressured out of the Internationale by Marx/Engels for his flagrant
homosexuality.

I hold the views the communist movement has always had. You, my friend, are the exception, not the rule.

If you honestly believe were slandered in our discussions, here is what i suggest: Post a detailed statement of your views on your own message board (E-G).

No because people like you and "Che Y Marijuana" have convinced undecided members that I am a Fascist, they won't even read my half of the story.

My view is that we really should not open this message board to rather open reactionaries and fascists (even if they "claim" that they are Marxist, or Leninist or whatever.)

I am not a Fascist or a reactionary. This sheer opportunism that many members (not all!) of the RCP are guilty of (as soon as homosexuals start to become a sizeable minority, they change their political stance) is sickening. I hold the (correct) Marxist point of view that the infallible Bob Avaikian held since its existence, and all of a sudden I am a "fascist".

We have other things, of much greater importance, to discuss and debate. And (inevitably) a posting by a nazbol like you would simply lead everyone's attention in a skydive down to your muddy bottom plane of racism and fascism.

I am not a Nazbol, a racist or a Fascist.

Since when is Judaism a race?

When I speak of Judaism I speak of the American and Western Jew, which are mostly white european in appearance and former christian converts from the days of a kazar empire.

And i also think that allowing antisemites and anti-gay bigots to post here as members would send the wrong message to all kinds of people -- that they are not valued, that certain verdicts are "not in" amongst us on these issues.

Speak for yourself! Your party didn't agree with you 4 years ago!

And my suggestion to the moderators is that if you try to divert our discussions here to your nonsense, that such posts here be removed.

I have no interest in discussing anything with liberals and anarchists, I am just here to defend myself.

And since we want everyone here to have access to issues and information, if you post your "refutation" on E-G we will make that known here (as we have done in the past).

False.

I urge anyone who has a view on this (and certainly a disagreement with my suggestions) to mention it here.

We have not had a discussion in a while over whether to allow Nazis and racists to post here -- but our policy in the past has been to draw the line. And (in my opinion, after reading the threads on E-G, or even your anti-semitic bullshit in your first posts on our site) it is rather clear that you are way over that line.

I am not a Nazi or a racist, in fact I am hispanic!

The people whitey 1960's hippy burnouts like you want to "liberate" agree with my views generally.

[flyby2]

i think we should move this thread to the "weeds" section.

and if iron felix wants to explain why "jew hating" is progressive... he can do it on E-G.

that's my opinion.

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Guest-flyby2 said:

i think we should move this thread to the "weeds" section.

and if iron felix wants to explain why "jew hating" is progressive... he can do it on E-G.

that's my opinion.

Ditto.

[Andrei_X]

Another World Is Possible does not tolerate anti-Semitism or homophobia. Thus, I am banning Iron Felix and moving this post to the "Weed Pile".

The End.