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Post by questoin on Oct 27, 2003 19:00:29 GMT -5
I saw the quote: "Unite all who can be united against the real enemy."
Who is that real enemy?
Is it the same in each country?
Is the u.s. government the enemy of everyone?
Is the enemy the reactionaies of every country? all conservatives?
What classes are not "enemies"?
How do you know?
Is your enemy the ones who oppose us now, or those who have long-term interests to oppose our movement all the way down the line in the future?
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Post by hopeful on Dec 19, 2003 16:02:57 GMT -5
the enemy is the one who opresses the opressed.
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Post by eat the rich on Dec 19, 2003 16:41:07 GMT -5
ah yes, that is true. But it takes analysis to discern who that it.
Also, there is aproblem that AMONG THE PEOPLE there is also mistreatment.
A man beats a woman, a lumpen robs a retiree, a teacher dominates and humilitates a classroom of kids -- these are all woven into the oppressive relations of society. But ultimately that man, or that lumpen, or that teacher are not really "enemies of the people" or major targets of the revolution.
The enemy is the ruling class and the diehard defenders of the system (including the armed instutions). And others need to be won away from playing reactionary pro-system roles (that ultimately are not in their own interests either.)
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Post by Juche on Dec 23, 2003 2:04:30 GMT -5
Indeed yes. The U$ imperialist aggressors maintain oppression and install oppressors all over the world. They have committed the worst acts of genocide in history and have brutalised and humiliated the people and their revolutionary forces all over the world, thereby smashing many chances of creating societies based on Socialist sharing and caring.
Thus the main enemy is the main oppressor - the Yankee imperialists. All anti-imperialist forces must be united to smash Yankee oppression. For as you said: "Unite all who can be united against the real enemy."
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Post by readpunk on Dec 30, 2003 1:58:20 GMT -5
I am not sure there is a "main" or "real" enemy. To create a socialist world, we need to fight against what ends up merely being abstract ideas. Power, Hierarchy, Greed. Following this we can fight against those who embody it, which can change. Even though the majority of Americans believe in jingoist capitalism does that mean that those who are poor and working class in America deserve no respect and should be regarded as the enemy? Or is Bush more the enemy simply because he is the chosen one amongst those believing in capitalism (well actually Gore was the chosen one, but I digress)? The only way of fighting the abstract enemies who are embodied in people like Castro, Bush, Jong, Hussein and the sort is to make them irrelevant to those who are to gain from a socialist world the equality and freedom they know in their hearts they deserve. From there it should spread like all good ideas once completely understood systemically.
I'm not painting a rosy picture here about the ideas I am espousing there is more than just talk and sit and watch to be done. But I don't think you can say that Imperialist nations are the enemies or just nations in general are the enemies. The ideas precipitating them are and can only be fought FIRST through a social revolution and then a governmental revolution.
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Post by ComradeRiley on Jan 7, 2004 16:19:11 GMT -5
The enemy is capitalism, the US being the main perpetrater of that
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Post by Red Flag Faction on Jan 8, 2004 15:37:42 GMT -5
The enemies of the people are all the reactionaries of all the countries: all the people who oppose social or political change. There is no standard reactionary class so you will have to observe the current ruling class in your country, the clerical class, the capitalist big business class,... Watching the news and reading newpaper is a good way. The people who help fighting against the current capitalist system are friends.
The US government is imperialist which is maybe economically good for some USA citizens but very bad for the people living in the countries oppressed by USA-a**-kissing dictators. Imperialism is especially good for the ruling (capitalist) class. Don't believe it will make big changes in the other classes: It will decrease unemployment for a while and then, one day, pffffffttttttt, bankruptcy, pffffffttttttt, 10.000 people lost their jobs. FYI: Over the last two years, more than 70 US companies have won up to 8.000.000.000 USD in contracts for work in postwar Iraq and Afghanistan. The US government supported (weapons, money, spying equipment, logistic) Al-Quaida in the 1979 Afghanistan war, Iraqi chemical weapon use in Iran, drug dealing in Nicaragua (between CIA and the contras) and in Panama (between CIA and Panama president Noriega). Don't forget CIA president was George Bush Senior. So yes US government is the Enemy (with capital 'e') of everyone. Do you think US citizens wanted all of these? I don't think so. They are just brainwashed by the anti-terrorist and anti-NBC weapons propaganda as they were brainwashed by the anti-communist propaganda in the cold war.
The ones who oppose us now and those who have long-term interests to oppose us are both enemies, but the first are "easier" to handle because they can be educated so they will join us. The later are worse. They are the big capitalists who will loose great parts of their money, lands and factories. They are responsible of the long-term counter-revolutions like the ones that happened in the 80ies China and the 60ies USSR.
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Post by Red Flag Faction on Jan 8, 2004 15:41:11 GMT -5
Please admin, delete my first message. I wasn't logged in. I will not repeat it. I promise. ;D
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Post by Andrei_X on Jan 8, 2004 15:55:12 GMT -5
No prob.
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Post by Comrade Joseph on Jan 15, 2004 0:31:45 GMT -5
Washington.
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Post by Red Flag Faction on Jan 16, 2004 8:16:33 GMT -5
Washington, the capital of USA being a nest of enemies (the US gvt)? or Washington the president?
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Post by TheAnarkistTension on Jan 18, 2004 14:04:11 GMT -5
Who is that real enemy?
The ruling class is the real enemy. This comes in different forms. IN my opinion, the ruling class are those people who control the institutions of working class oppression. The Generals, the capitalists ie boards of multi-national corporations, police and security chiefs and politicians.
Is it the same in each country?
Every country has a ruling class. The present economic system we live under dictates the need for a ruling class. Captialism needs to have big business people, and to have big buisness you must have a state to protect it, armies, police and security forces and heads of states and politicians.
Is the u.s. government the enemy of everyone?
In one political context yes, but not the sole enemy in working class struggle. The american ruling class have bigger interests than other ruling classes around the world, so their agenda is more obvious. Their power and wealth means that their position in the world is centre stage.
Is the enemy the reactionaies of every country? all conservatives?
Those in power yes. Among the working class no! Many working class people hold reactionary views but that is why we need a revolutionary movement to break through them and bring about class consciousness.
What classes are not "enemies"?
The working class. But we should not ignore the middle classes. We have to battle to get them to recognize the situations in the world because of their material wealth but I am certain that come a revolution they will either join because they see what is happening or they will join because they will want to try and keep their interests safe. Of course some will join the counter-revolutioanries it is to be expected.
How do you know?
Through seeing the situations in the world and trying to find out why they are happening.
Is your enemy the ones who oppose us now, or those who have long-term interests to oppose our movement all the way down the line in the future?
To some degree both. But those with long term interests will be the ones that will be most dangerous come a revolution.
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Post by KimChaeBong on Jun 13, 2004 12:59:13 GMT -5
The "real enemy" is any system in which people are unjustly exploited and oppressed by others and the belief that no better alternatives are possible. It's not necessarily certain people, it's certain social relations, that must be destroyed and replaced.
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Post by VolPatsyOHara on Jun 13, 2004 19:04:51 GMT -5
Aontaim leat ar sin a Kim! I agree w/ you on that, Kim!
I am no pacifist, obvious from my tag, but there was a political tract written by a German anarchist and pacifst entitled You Can't Blow Up a Social Relationship. I didn't agree w/ all of his argument, but that one piece of his thesis had a point.
While it is true that the class system is layered and often not obvious, like the ex's given of the teacher, the lumpen, etc. and there are divisions w/in the working class (Aristorcracy of Labor I think Marx called it), it is the system that is the enemy.
Mankind is not yet fully sentient or realized. When a Czech socialist wrote the first sci-fi story using robots (from the Czech word 'to labor') he was making a point about the working class. We are like machines now but one day we will be fully humanized.
It is the SYSTEM that sometimes makes us mindless animals, automatons, etc. Inidividuals within the system are largely not in control, they are swept by the current of history as are logs down a river.
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Post by Petrovich on Jul 10, 2004 23:29:59 GMT -5
Seperate of the actual context, since you basically answered the question, and there's no need to really futher add to it: Anarkist, I don't think it's possible to prove the 'how do you know' part.
Not without making assumptions and assertions by which to build up from first, anyways.
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