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Post by eat da woild on Oct 30, 2003 9:12:18 GMT -5
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Post by Comrade Joseph on Oct 30, 2003 16:08:55 GMT -5
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Post by kasama on Nov 3, 2003 15:35:24 GMT -5
Joseph, thanks for your interesting article on Chile.
I think there is a lot of interesting exposure and information in it.
However, the closing section on "Lessons for today" actually seemed to MISS the main lessons.
First it writes: "Imperialism can never reconcile itself to the interests of workers and oppressed. Whether it is Chile in 1973 or Venezuela today, revolutionaries should be vigilant about the predatory nature of imperialism. And more than vigilant: They must be prepared to organize and fight."
This is not enough. It is not enough to be prepared, and organized, and willing to "fight." And it is not enough to say that this is the lesson of chile.
The people there were "vigilant", they were organized, they were fighting.
The lesson of chile is that you can't make a peaceful transition to socialism. This is the issue.
What the people didn't do is follow a party into a revolutionary struggle that dismantled the bourgeois state and especially its military. they elected a socialist to power, and thought they were told that his presidential power could contain the military.
This was a lie, and a betrayal.
This article talks a lot about Cuba. And it hides some important things:
First the Cuban government (and Castro in particular) ENDORSED the notion of "peaceful transition" in Chile. Castro personally went to Chile and told the people to follow Allende's road. It was a road that led to the Chilean stadium.
A big part of the logic of "peaceful transition" was the idea that the U.S. would be prevented from acting by the "balance of forces" concentrated in the revisionist Soviet Union.
this too was part of the Castro rap: telling people to seek short cuts to power (focoism in Bolivia, then electoral road in Chile) and THEN rely on the revisionist communist parties and the Soviet Union to help them make it through.
This was very wrong. And to quote Castro saying that people need to fight, really disguises the rather sinister role he played in encouraging people to NOT make real revolution.
What is the lesson of Chile:
Maoists say "without state power all is illusion."
These are six words worth thinking about deeply.
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Korngold
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Post by Korngold on Apr 30, 2005 13:38:20 GMT -5
On the Justice of Roosting Chickens by Ward Churchill has a complete list of crimes against humanity committed by the US Imperialists. It goes on for pages. It also has a complete list of treaties and laws the US has broken. It's good read for anyone who hates Imperialism or wants to learn the realities of it.
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