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Post by StalinRevolution on Dec 23, 2003 12:33:44 GMT -5
Ok lets discuss this here.I think that the French revolution was certainly an interesting experience that many people learned things from.It was the first large instance(that I know of,correct me if neccassery)of class struggle and class war.It was the oppressed classes,and the privleged,yet mildly oppressed classes uniting in struggle.Also,Robspiere was certainly an interesting character.I will post a short biography of him soon.Tell me your opinoins of the French Revolutiuon.We can all learn something.
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Post by REDFINN on Dec 28, 2003 8:50:30 GMT -5
Yes it was a class war but it wasnt a war between bourgeoise and proletariate.It was class war between bourgeoise and noblility and king.French revolution started from monarchy and it ended in monachy.From Ludvig XVI to Napoleon.
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Post by StalinRevolution on Dec 29, 2003 18:45:06 GMT -5
Certainly not.It was a struggle between bourgeoise and proletariat against the nobility and the king.
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Post by eat the landlord on Dec 29, 2003 18:53:00 GMT -5
there was also a sharp anti-feudal struggle between feudal landlords and peasants.
also in the french revolution there was (actually) not a proletariat -- not yet.
There was an urban class of poor (mainy ruined peasants) that included some waged artisans -- and who formed the basis of the sans-culotte.
they were a kind of proto-proletariat -- but not a one in the industrial or modern sense.
Similarly, the bourgeoisie was not yet a mature "owner of capital" class -- but heavily merchant capital and aspiring bourgeois of various kinds.
Mao made a point of saying: the french bourgeoisie didn't really create its "characteristic" mode of production until after the French revolution. And in some ways, the proletariat led the chinese revolutin, and then created the modern socialist industry that brought a modern proletariat on the stage in china in a new way.
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Post by Andrei_X on Dec 31, 2003 11:59:00 GMT -5
The French Revolution is my favorite non-proletarian revolution. It was a bourgeois revolution which had the peasantry and the proletariat as its backbone, fighting against feudalism and monarchy in all ways. It was a complete transformation of French society into something 19th century, and something truly glorious (for that time). Sadly, Napoleon betrayed the French people by crowning himself Emperor in 1804, but the ideas of the French Revolution eventually inspired Socialism, which gave birth to Marxism...
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Post by morpheus on Feb 18, 2004 21:07:12 GMT -5
The French Revolution wasn't the first instance of large scale class struggle. Look at the big slave uprisings in ancient Rome, like Spartacus. Class struggle is as old as class society, you can't have one without the other.
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Post by Arntenakis on Feb 27, 2004 20:00:43 GMT -5
The French Revolution wasn't the first instance of large scale class struggle. Look at the big slave uprisings in ancient Rome, like Spartacus. Class struggle is as old as class society, you can't have one without the other. Exactly (about class struggle). Though it is worth mentioning that the slave uprisings did not bring about the abolition of slavery. The slave-owners themselves gradually transformed the slaves into serfs. |
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Post by morpheus on Mar 3, 2004 1:18:32 GMT -5
IMO, the slave uprisings played a big role in ending slavery because it increased the costs of slavery and made the latifunda (forerunner of serfdom) more lucrative by comparison.
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