Post by ShineThePath on Jan 27, 2005 1:11:13 GMT -5
"The attitudes and beliefs that people take as being Natural, have been inhertited through the social structure they're brought up in. An example is a man who believes that women are by definition more suited to working in the home than making decisions. The belief in the natural puts all this outside the realm of debate-and unless you have an awarness of your ideas as political manifestations, you won't believe you can change them"
Jon King
This is an immensely important point that the brilliant Jon King has made, and I will expand upon the long false belief of "Human Nature" and the reall truth about what is natural for a Human Being. As with all things, what has be considered "Natural" for human society has long evolved and never remains the same, while the fundamental outlining remains.
What is false about Human Nature:
The defense of human oppression is long be used by just raising "human nature". Society accepts without question the long standing oppression of people throughout the world by standing with this line. Capitalism is defended by its Apologists by saying Humanity runs on "Survival of the Fittest", and that Socialism runs in contrary to Human greed, individualism, competitiveness, and so on. Others in the Past have resoundly used these same reasons to justify Imperialist expansionalism into Africa and throughout the world. Jefferson, even though one of the most enlightened men of his time, reasoned that while Africans should maintain their own Nations that it was only Natural that the more "dominant" and more "sophosticated whites" maintain some kind of influence on them. This for Jefferson and others was only "Natural". The wave of Nazism also followed this same sort of thinking. The Jews and others were sub-human, and most be conquered to save and to give power to the Aryan Race. This Social Darwinist approach of this being in the Natural for at any time has always defended the oppressor, from Rome ruling with Justice over the Mongrels to the US defending Democracy from the Barbarians. All of this was and is nonsense. None of this is Natural, it is only Natural for the oppressors themselves and not those being oppressed. It is Natural for a slave owner to brutalize and exploit his slaves, but it is not natural for a slave to accept it. It is infact natural for the Slave to rebel, is it not? If we look at what is Natrual for humans from a scientific and economical perspective we will see what is in fact Human Nature.
Scientific Human Nature:
Humans, like all organisms exist in the objective natural world, and therefore have natural traits. For instance, a Grizzly Bear at points is naturally able to be aggressive. Humans manage in the same way as other animals. There is instinctive reactions from Humans and this plays in its natural being; however people have developed beyond Apes and Monkeys, and are capable of much more. People have a better ability to ration, which gives Humans an edge over other animals. Human development can only be creditted to their own biological development of rationalization, without this one can argue we would still be in the same place as the earlier homnids. The combintion of Rationality and Instinct has played quite well, and anwsers lots of Fundamental questions. In a class society like ours, which developed over the series of time, one must conclude that the rationalization of all these clases must be different. The Capitalist can't have the same real rational view as the Worker, they must be different. While there are many other things that shape rationality, Economics determines rationalization better than any other area, because it deals with the circumstances one can live and survive in. Yes, naturally the instincts and of any organism will tell them they must "survive". However there is no "fittest" here, the proletariat must survive for the bourgeoisie to survive. The class relationship is more parasitcial than it is actually predatorial.
Socialism and Communism, the Rational choice for the Workers and Humanity:
The Bourgeois elite plan and and determine the future for their own profit. They actively destroy the world, and uses its resources. They exploit people people in intolerable ways, and above this, they consider themselves the Immaculate Saviors of the people! When those people were swept away in the Tsunami, They at first were reluctant, but then came with aid to these countries when they were confronted with popular pressure. They said this was their "humanitarian relief", but no one questioned why this was not prevented loudly, and why such measures were before taken how it would interfere with their system of exploitation. The Bourgeoisie actively tries to retard our development of rationalization, they like us to look through their box and carry their flag. They want to think for us, they have enslaved us mentally! Socialism is the future of the development of the working class to move beyond just being the muscle they use for their system, beyond just being slaves to profit off, beyond being just another "labor source". Socialism is the active deleopment of Workers, to live naturally in their capacity, to rationalize and join in with intellectuals to better our world, to move toward Communism. Communism will be the full emancipation of Humanity from the repressiveness of class society, as well as being the full emancipation of the individual person themselve from the the exploiters throughout the world, to live without fear, to become a whole being if you will.
These are certainly just my opinions based upon my understanding, what does everyone else think about this?
Jon King
This is an immensely important point that the brilliant Jon King has made, and I will expand upon the long false belief of "Human Nature" and the reall truth about what is natural for a Human Being. As with all things, what has be considered "Natural" for human society has long evolved and never remains the same, while the fundamental outlining remains.
What is false about Human Nature:
The defense of human oppression is long be used by just raising "human nature". Society accepts without question the long standing oppression of people throughout the world by standing with this line. Capitalism is defended by its Apologists by saying Humanity runs on "Survival of the Fittest", and that Socialism runs in contrary to Human greed, individualism, competitiveness, and so on. Others in the Past have resoundly used these same reasons to justify Imperialist expansionalism into Africa and throughout the world. Jefferson, even though one of the most enlightened men of his time, reasoned that while Africans should maintain their own Nations that it was only Natural that the more "dominant" and more "sophosticated whites" maintain some kind of influence on them. This for Jefferson and others was only "Natural". The wave of Nazism also followed this same sort of thinking. The Jews and others were sub-human, and most be conquered to save and to give power to the Aryan Race. This Social Darwinist approach of this being in the Natural for at any time has always defended the oppressor, from Rome ruling with Justice over the Mongrels to the US defending Democracy from the Barbarians. All of this was and is nonsense. None of this is Natural, it is only Natural for the oppressors themselves and not those being oppressed. It is Natural for a slave owner to brutalize and exploit his slaves, but it is not natural for a slave to accept it. It is infact natural for the Slave to rebel, is it not? If we look at what is Natrual for humans from a scientific and economical perspective we will see what is in fact Human Nature.
Scientific Human Nature:
Humans, like all organisms exist in the objective natural world, and therefore have natural traits. For instance, a Grizzly Bear at points is naturally able to be aggressive. Humans manage in the same way as other animals. There is instinctive reactions from Humans and this plays in its natural being; however people have developed beyond Apes and Monkeys, and are capable of much more. People have a better ability to ration, which gives Humans an edge over other animals. Human development can only be creditted to their own biological development of rationalization, without this one can argue we would still be in the same place as the earlier homnids. The combintion of Rationality and Instinct has played quite well, and anwsers lots of Fundamental questions. In a class society like ours, which developed over the series of time, one must conclude that the rationalization of all these clases must be different. The Capitalist can't have the same real rational view as the Worker, they must be different. While there are many other things that shape rationality, Economics determines rationalization better than any other area, because it deals with the circumstances one can live and survive in. Yes, naturally the instincts and of any organism will tell them they must "survive". However there is no "fittest" here, the proletariat must survive for the bourgeoisie to survive. The class relationship is more parasitcial than it is actually predatorial.
Socialism and Communism, the Rational choice for the Workers and Humanity:
The Bourgeois elite plan and and determine the future for their own profit. They actively destroy the world, and uses its resources. They exploit people people in intolerable ways, and above this, they consider themselves the Immaculate Saviors of the people! When those people were swept away in the Tsunami, They at first were reluctant, but then came with aid to these countries when they were confronted with popular pressure. They said this was their "humanitarian relief", but no one questioned why this was not prevented loudly, and why such measures were before taken how it would interfere with their system of exploitation. The Bourgeoisie actively tries to retard our development of rationalization, they like us to look through their box and carry their flag. They want to think for us, they have enslaved us mentally! Socialism is the future of the development of the working class to move beyond just being the muscle they use for their system, beyond just being slaves to profit off, beyond being just another "labor source". Socialism is the active deleopment of Workers, to live naturally in their capacity, to rationalize and join in with intellectuals to better our world, to move toward Communism. Communism will be the full emancipation of Humanity from the repressiveness of class society, as well as being the full emancipation of the individual person themselve from the the exploiters throughout the world, to live without fear, to become a whole being if you will.
These are certainly just my opinions based upon my understanding, what does everyone else think about this?